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What Did Ruemmler Tell Lawmakers?<\/h2>\n

In her opening statement Wednesday, as quoted by news<\/u> outlets<\/u>, Ruemmler said she met Epstein in 2014 and continued to associate with him despite knowing of his previous 2008 conviction for soliciting prostitution. Epstein \u201cexpressed remorse, embarrassment and regret\u201d for his previous conduct, which Ruemmler thought was only limited to \u201cpaying money\u201d to women he believed to be adults, and she was accustomed as an attorney to \u201croutinely\u201d associating with \u201ccompromised or controversial people.\u201d Ruemmler said she realizes now her conclusion was \u201cdeeply flawed,\u201d and \u201cat no time did I endorse or excuse\u201d Epstein\u2019s conduct that led to his 2008 conviction. Ruemmler said her relationship with Epstein ended after his arrest in 2019 and she was \u201cshocked by his indictment,\u201d which she said \u201ccontradicted what I had known about the nature and scope\u201d of his prior misconduct. She also dismissed the importance of Epstein\u2019s gifts to her\u2014claiming she \u201cdidn\u2019t ask for them, didn\u2019t need them, and didn\u2019t view them as particularly personal or consequential\u201d\u2014and said she now \u201cwish[es] I had never dealt with him at all, much less emailed with him.\u201d Ruemmler described Epstein as a \u201cmasterful liar\u201d who \u201cclearly lied to me,\u201d and said he \u201cused me and other respectable people to legitimize his standing.\u201d While people assume \u201cthat given everything we know now about Epstein, everyone who dealt with him before his 2019 indictment must have known everything then,\u201d Ruemmler said, \u201cIn my case, that is completely wrong.\u201d<\/p>\n

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What Did Lawmakers Ask Ruemmler?<\/h2>\n

While lawmakers\u2019 exact questions to Ruemmler won\u2019t be clear until the full transcript is released, Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthy, D-Ill., told Reuters<\/u> ahead of Tuesday\u2019s hearing that lawmakers must use the interview to \u201cpull back the curtain on how Jeffrey Epstein built and maintained wealth, power, and influence while operating one of the most notorious sex trafficking operations in modern history,\u201d also noting how the Epstein files \u201crevealed a far more extensive relationship between Ms. Ruemmler and Epstein than was previously understood.\u201d Ruemmler had a number of exchanges with Epstein documented in the government\u2019s files that have raised scrutiny and could come up on Tuesday, such as a 2014 in which Ruemmler said, \u201cMost girls don\u2019t have to deal with this crap\u201d when discussing a job issue. \u201cGirl=??\u201d Epstein responded. \u201cCareful I will renew an old habit.\u201d <\/p>\n

What Has Ruemmler previously Said About Her Relationship With Epstein?<\/h2>\n

Ruemmler said<\/u> prior to Wednesday\u2019s hearing she \u201cregret[s] ever knowing Jeffrey Epstein\u201d and has referred to the late financier as a \u201cmonster\u201d in the wake of his death, with spokesperson Connelly telling<\/u> The Miami Herald, \u201cMs. Ruemmler has deep sympathy for those harmed by Epstein and if she knew then what she knows now, she never would have dealt with him at all.\u201d In a recent interview with attorney Ankush Khardori for the The New York Times<\/u>\u2014which has been criticized<\/u> for being too sympathetic to the attorney\u2014Ruemmler defended her seemingly close relationship with Epstein as being in line with how lawyers operate with wealthy individuals. Ruemmler has received expensive gifts from other clients like she did with Epstein, she claimed, and defended her friendly tone with him in emails as being what\u2019s necessary for a woman in the industry who\u2019s trying to be taken seriously. As \u201cthe only woman in the room oftentimes,\u201d Ruemmler told Khardori, \u201cyou have to figure out how to get people to listen to you.\u201d She also defended specific conversations with Epstein, alleging that when Epstein referred to his \u201cold habit,\u201d she assumed he was talking about referring to adult women as girls. \u201cHindsight bias has caused many people to assume that given everything we know now, everyone who dealt with Epstein must have known all of that then,\u201d Ruemmler said. \u201cThat assumption is wrong.\u201d She and Connelly have also pushed back on a number of specific points of interest in her relationship with Epstein, such as noting her call with Epstein after his arrest was \u201cbrief\u201d and didn\u2019t result in Ruemmler taking any specific actions to help him, and denied comments by Epstein that suggested Ruemmler did personal legal work for the financier. \u201cMs. Ruemmler had no control over how Epstein characterized her or their interactions,\u201d Connelly told CNN<\/u>. \u201cShe was not his defender. She never advocated on his behalf with any third party \u2013 not the press, not a court, not a government official.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Contra<\/h2>\n

While Ruemmler has repeatedly claimed her relationship with Epstein was strictly professional, there are also a number of comments in the Epstein files that suggest Ruemmler and Epstein had more of a personal friendship than she has claimed more recently. Epstein described Ruemmler at one point as his \u201cgreat defender,\u201d for instance, while Ruemmler Epstein in 2015 she was \u201cthinking of you and am so very grateful for our friendship.\u201d <\/p>\n

Tangent<\/h2>\n

Ruemmler\u2019s interview with Congress on Tuesday comes shortly after the Wall Street Journal reported<\/u> her transition away from Goldman Sachs has become a point of contention for those hoping to replace her as the company\u2019s top lawyer. Ruemmler formally stepped down from her role at Goldman in February, saying it was in the bank\u2019s best interest for her to step aside amid the media scrutiny she\u2019s faced over Epstein. The attorney has stayed on at the firm as an advisor and to help find her successor, which the Journal reports has raised \u201cconcern\u201d among some employees at the bank and potentially dissuaded potential applicants, because \u201cit is unclear how long Ruemmler will stay on and in what capacity.\u201d Goldman Sachs has defended Ruemmler\u2019s continued presence at the bank, with spokesperson Tony Fratto telling the Journal, \u201cThe leadership and the Board appreciate her willingness to stay and help as she has been an excellent General Counsel.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Further Reading<\/h2>\n

She Was One of Obama\u2019s Top Lawyers. How Did She Get Tangled Up With Epstein?<\/u> (The New York Times)<\/p>\n

Gifts and soup from \u2018Uncle Jeffrey’: The Epstein ties that ended Kathy Ruemmler\u2019s run at Goldman<\/u> (Associated Press)<\/p>\n

Birthday wishes, island plans and \u2018xoxo\u2019 sign-offs: Inside a former Obama WH counsel\u2019s ties to Epstein<\/u> (CNN)<\/p>\n

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